A 55-45 white gap is racism but a 92-8 black gap is not?????  

1) Hillary would never lead us into socialism, she makes to much money from big business to ever consider such a thing.

2) Hillary doesn't have much more experience, she's only been in the Senate a few more years then Obama, and being the wife of a president doesn't count as experience, nor does being a lawyer, and Obama's name doesn't really matter, just because it sounds different doesn't mean that one should care.

3) McCain is just a Bush clone, although he'd probably be slightly better, but still.

And even if a third party broke off from the democrats, which would never happn, but if it did, nothing would change. If you want to win an election, you must promise change. To keep power, you must cater to the rich and repaint rust when the next election comes, and try to make it look like you did something when you actually did nothing.[quote who="Leauki"]

This whole argument just drives me crazy.  So much for transcending race or the post-racial candidate.

So not wearing a pin means that Obama's going to commit treason and that he's a filthy facist who wants to destroy America and all it stands for? And one could very easily show disdain for the working class, as they could for most of America. America no longer cares for quality work, education knowledge etc., and we're slowly getting dumber and fatter, and the average American is giving unnecesary, undue weight to frivolous things such as gender, race or religion, and we ignore issues and listen to 30 second to 2 minute answers for questions instead of listening to candidates actually go in depth about an issue, and we're getting a massive debt that's only geting larger and larger. America is a better place to live then a large part of the world, but their are still many issues that make America a bad country.

 

A typical example. The average american is far more sexist, homophobic and xenophobic then other places in the world, and at the same time we claim that we're "free" and we claim that what makes America great is how we welcome other people here with open arms, and how anyone can become rich if they work at it, despite the fact that that's just an utter lie. Chances are if you were born poor, you'll die poor, just how if you were born rich, chances are you'll die rich, even when you have no real talents.

No, power is the most powerful narcotic. She would if she could, simply because she would be at the top of the food chain. NO matter how much money she has, someone will always have more, unless she can change the rules. And she will. Given half a chance.



Many people make that mistake. He is no Bush clone. That is not to say he is better or worse, but he has shown time and again he is his own person. There are several key differences between Bush and McCain, some I like, some I do not. As it is, I will never vote "for" him. At best I will vote against someone else. Bush was not my idea of a great president either. I dont like his NCLB, Prescription boondoggle, or Illegal ALien policies (to name some that readily come to mind), but I voted for him because he at least pretended to be a conservative at first. McCain has never pretended that, nor as some have said, should he now if he is to be viewed as an honest politician (an oxymoron I know).

Oh please, his main campaign promises to date are
a) Getting as many US soldiers killed as he can in the next 100 years in Iraq

b) Appointing as many neofascist judges to the supreme court as possible to eliminate those pesky "civil rights"

and

c) Continue fucking over the US taxpayer in favor of making life easier for millionaires and billionaires that constitute the Republican party.


Exactly what part of that is different from the current fascist in chief?

You really are a psycho if you believe your own hateful talking points. It is apparent that only idiots want that to happen (like sheehan). But if you beleive that, then you will be prepared to back it up with facts? Please provide them.



SO anyone that obeys the law and the constitution is a neo facist according to you? Even the nuttiest democrat in congress is not that stupid to espouse your vile hatred of those who are not mind numbed robots to your twisted hatred.



SO Hillary, Obama, Dean, and Kenendy are Republicans? Fancy that. And I just thought they were a bunch of idiotic racist sexist jackasses.

No, you have not shown anything that would merit you saying that McCain is the same as Bush. However, I have pointed out some differences. If you have any functioning brain cells left, Prove your lies, and show us there is NO difference. If you cannot, retract your statement, or stay what you are. A mindless liar.

Right. She supports socialized medicine, so therefore she'd obviously want a socialist system, even though that still wouldn't make her at the top of the food chain because socialism is an economic model, and we could still have democracy, even with socialism. And she doesn't want to be the richest, she'll just do anything practically within her means to get more, and if she wanted socialism, she wouldn't be trying to get nearly as much, seeing how most socialists know and realize that the world economy of today is grossly unequal and knows that we need a radical redistribution of the world's wealth. Anyone who thinks that Hillary is a socialist or who believes that instituting socialism would lead to us losing are freedoms is ignorant and needs to learn more about socialism. And politico, Bush is not a facist in chief as you called him, facism is far worse and far more evil.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

 

Seriously, "WolSHaman", can you read?

 

Not ignorant, observant. Nationalizing 17% of the US economy is socialism. You can sugar coat it any way you want, but that is what it is by any definition. It may not make the US a Socialist nation, but does give it a big push down the road. You can call it what want, but control of a nations assets by the government is socialism, bordering on communism (the only difference is in degrees).

And just so you know, as a child, I was very socialistic. Even to the point of being a card carrying member. I was very naive - as are most children, and grew out of that stage. So I am neither ignorant or need to learn more about it. I have studied it in depth and can therefore speak to it from knowledge and experience.

In that case I am proud to be ignorant.

I have seen socialism in action. I have learned about socialism from east-German television.

Socialism is like capitalism with less information.

 

"WolSHaman",

Do you know anything about socialism? Have you seen it in action? Have you met its supporters who still claim that a secret police that roots out dissenters is a necessary evil? Have you talked to socialist voters in Germany (where socialism is a favourite) and noticed that the constituencies they win are also the most dangerous places for foreigners and minorities to live in?

I guess you are using the word "ignorance" in the left sense: failure to see virtue. The problem is, often education and knowledge cause people to fail to see the virtue.

Some of the most pro-capitalist people have fled a socialist state. And some of the most pro-socialist people have left (not fled) a capitalist state. The communists executed some of the first group before they had a chance to flee and some of the second when they were no longer needed.

 

 

I admit that their are many socialists who believe that you need secret police and are against democracy. They are wrong. I admit that the Soviet Union was a terrible state, and it killed many people brutally and it was evil. However, Socialism is an economic system. It is readily possible for a society to be socialist and still maintain the democratic process. Besides, capitalism can't necessarily be considered much better, it's just had time to get its act together. Look at capitalism in its youth. Their was imperialism, which led to the deaths of millions of Native Americans and it had a crippling effect in Africa, where poverty still runs rampant, and nowadays capitalism has created millionaire CEOs while at the same time their are many slaves still kept, it's just that they're to poor to be able to effectively do anything about it. While socialism may not be a perfect system, but socialism was not the main factor in what made the Soviet Union so impoverished. Authoritarian regimes in general tend to exploit people and leave them impoverished because they have no one to answer to, so they can do as they please. Just to reiterate, just because many socialist societies have had dictatorships does not mean that it's a bad thing. Dictatorships are terrible and democracy is the superior choice, so don't confuse what really made the soviet union fall apart, it wasn't a result of the economic choice of socialism, it was a result of individuals craving power and eventually taking it to far.

 Why is the fact that 90% of blacks are voting for the black candidate not considered racist?  I guess the black people are only voting for Obama because they have an indepth understanding of his policies as they compare to Hillary

Blacks are a minority and many may say, a disadvantaged minority, and hence their solidarity with Obama does not attract the label of racism. And Obama did not appeal exclusively for the black vote, he positioned himself as a candidate for change and to my mind he did not eun a racial campaign, but Clinton with her fearmongering and her appeal to Hadr working white Americans did sould racist to many. But I am willing to say that the jury is still out on that question.

American wars against the Indians had nothing to do with capitalism. In China it was communist policies that killed millions, not military expansion but economic policies.

Imperialism didn't have a crippling effect in Africa, but handing over Africa to local dictators did. Africa wasn't poor when run by the British and French.

If you can blame poverty in Africa today on what the British did a hundred years ago, you can blame anything on anybody.

The British Empire did not command Mugabe to tyranise Zimbabwe and destroy its economy.

The British Empire did not command Nigeria to attack and destroy Biafra.

The British Empire did not command all African governments to react to AIDS with "folk remedies" and in fact it is Christian missionaries, brought there by the imperialism, that are working to stop the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

You cannot blame the Europeans or capitalism for crimes commited by people who were neither European nor capitalists.

The African dictator's crimes are their own and the economic situation of Africa is their fault, not Europe's.

 

What i think is more pressing here is that regardless of who actually wins the demo race has already shot themselves in the foot.

Let's imagine i'm an American voter, who has a history of voting for the democrats. I'd have to seriously ask myself whether or not a party, which is currently in the midsts of a brutal internal power struggle, can seriously reunite and lead a country properly.

The amount of bad blood that is being spilt in this campaign is potentially enough to leave whoever wins with very little to campaign against the republicans with.

Worst still, should the repuiblicans win, i'm not sure how the world will fair with another 4 years of a religious fruit cake in charge of the white house (even worse, this one believes Jesus is returning, and will return somewhere around suburbun American).

It's a crying shame really, but i don't think America is going to see a black or women president for quite some time yet.

YOu do stand up comedy in your spare time, right?

~ Bursts into song, (aimed at all you young'uns who missed it the first time around...)

Won't Get Fooled Again
(The Who)

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

(Do ya?)

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!


Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss....